Christian Movies and Pornography
I know I'll get some hate mail with this one, but it's been said that from production and storytelling perspectives, many "Christian" movies of the past years are not that different from porn movies. Here's why:
1. They're both usually ultra-low budget.
2. The stories are not well developed (Because that's not the point of the films).
3. The characters are usually shallow and poorly crafted. (Again, not the point of the films).
4. It's all about the money shot - in Christian movies, it's about the salvation moment or altar call, and in porn, well, you know…
Hey - I didn't say it, but it IS worth thinking about….
When you don't create a well crafted, compelling film FIRST, then no matter how important the message, your response will always be forced, and it's real potential will never be realized.
Phil, I'm going to get in trouble by agreeing with you, but I think that both types of films are Agenda films and that's tnot the best use of the medium. Also, the only difference is that they attract a different audience..... sometimes! However, if we're listening to the statistics of what pastors are doing on-line, then maybe it is the same audience...... Oh, I can't wait to read other comments!
I have some sympathy with the criticism of "Christian movies" because it makes the point that meaning without quality in art has moral ramifications. If we create art that does not value excellence of craftsmanship, we dishonor God (Exodus 36).
However, I fear the "porn again" analogy may be excessive rhetoric that may overstate the case and become more of an insult than an edifying exhortation. Perhaps a better description of "Christian movies" would be not as "pornography" but as "propaganda." There is some place for propaganda in culture, but its weaknesses are weighty: It sacrifices the complexity of life to an oversimplification which may result in a distortion of the truth, It stresses a singular viewpoint that often lacks the diversity of wisdom, and it tends to manipulate action without contemplation through formula.
Of course, there is well-crafted, excellent quality propaganda, like the Obama "hope" and "change" iconography. And those offended by the porn analogy may argue back that excellence of craft without moral meaning can be just as "pornographic" as moral meaning without excellence. After all, consider the highest quality craftsmanship illustrated in the soft core porn of some advertising and hollywood movies.
hear! hear!
I'll even add to that comparison.
5. Bad dialogue.
6. Are only viewed by people who already agree with the message.
7. Most artisans in the craft don't crossover into mainstream.
Hey - if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
8. Poorly written.
9. Poorly produced.
10. Artistically irrrelevant.
There!! Now we have a top ten list Phil - "Top 10 reasons why Christian films are like pornography." I double dog dare you to bring that up adult Sunday School Class at church. CHICKEN IF YOU DON'T!!
Great use of a left field metaphor to make a great on the money point. Let me get autobiographical for a moment.
I was born into a family of communicators - writers, Advertising AE's, producers, PR people, Media Managers. In Detroit and New York City, I hung out in movie theaters, TV studios, broadway shows and radio stations. Can you imagine what an extreme culture shock it was to come into the faith community where "we just don't go to movies, brother Rick,"?
One day someone showed me a copy of a "powerful film" called "A Thief in the Night," that they just "knew would lead people to Jesus." Getting through it was hard enough - dealing with the sincerely naive person who showed it to me was even more challenging!
I'm hoping and praying that someday we are delivered from the cultural monasticism that produces cultural pornography! God help us! We need your help too Phil!! Great post!
I heard about Thief in the Night in the Seventies, when I'd heard (from Rich Buhler's afternoon radio talk show) that it had freaked out a LOT of Christian kids, BAD. After hearing that, I had no desire to see it. (I'm not wrapped all that tight to start with, and my head got seriously messed up by an end-of-the-world cult in the early Seventies.)
Well, many years afterwards a PBS documentary had three clips from Thief in the Night. Here is my impressions of the clips, word-for-word:
1) That's Thief in the Night? Looks more like Manos, Hands of Fate.
2) Where's Joel and the Bots? They should be at the bottom of the screen...
3) AAAAAAGH! WE HAVE MOVIE SIGN!
(Since then, I have heard about the sequels to Thief in the Night. Including the infamous Rubber Scorpion Stinger scene.)
True. True.
I completely agree...and to carry the similarities further
both are only distributed inside their own "culture" ie Christian Book Stores or Porn Stores, not general market.
and most people are embarrassed to discuss that they watch it regularly because of the stereotype it leave you with.
I agree with you Phil about the lack of story and character development in Christian films. I came to a realization not too long ago that the reason this problem exists is that we as Christian film makers try to make the films stand alone. What I mean by that is if someone watches the film we think that the viewer has to walk away with a deeper understanding of the gospel. This is actually a very difficult thing to do with a visual medium. Film is not meant for preaching in my opinion because the use of dialogue at times weakens the power of the images. My conclusion is that we should be trying to arose an emotion rather than trying to educate our viewers. We should think of film as a tool to point people in a direction. For example The Day After Tomorrow feeds on the emotion of fear of global warming but really doesn't educate people on the science or specifics. The film children of men has a great pro-life message that makes you respect and understand the importance of life. If you showed films that were made in this manner to an audience they would be entertained, but they would also have emotions that could later be built upon with studying the word, prayer and fellowship. Just as in mission work you have to win the heart before you can win the mind. But unfortunately there are some the believe that a turn in this direction is considered blasphemy. I just hope that one day the majority of Christian film makers can see outside of this box that we have put ourselves in.
The insult is irrelevant. People don't like to hear the truth, but sometimes you gotta call it like it is. I'm to the point that I despise church production all together (and I'm a tech guy, so that's a big deal) because I think it's pointless. Several other commenters have already pointed out that the audience is a small niche of people who already agree with the message. What if the church actually presented media that was engaging? What if we could show the production (commercial, tv show, movie, whatever) during primetime on NBC or FOX and it actually challenged people rather than made them roll their eyes, ignore it, and make fun of it's low quality?
It is what it is, Phil. Way to call it out.
When you watch a "Christian" movie, you can tell it's a "Christian" movie within the first five minutes.
The "Passion" was rated R and I dare say, none was more effective in it's message.
Phil, I actually heard you talk about this very thing way back in 2000. I just recently saw a blockbuster Christian film that made a ton of money this last year. It was low budget and starred someone who regularly appears on TBN. Enough said. I saw through the whole thing. And it finally occurred to me that what I was seeing was a teaching tool and not a real story or film. And I think that is part of the disconnect with Christian film in general: they are not films that tell a powerful story that naturally illustrates God's truth, they are tools meant to evangelize. And there's nothing wrong with that. But we should be clear that there is a difference and the two are not the same thing.
"Criticize by creating"
I know what you mean. It seems like Christian movies start with the question, "What excuse can we have to make a movie based around an altar call?" I think if we focused more on making a universally interesting story, and doing it with excellence, then who we are as a Christian and how we think would naturally permeate the script. For example, insead of all the Christians in the movie being lunatics as in most movies, we would show them in a more positive light. Instead of the liberal mindset being promoted, there would be a different slant. Instead of the "free sex, drugs, etc." themes, there could be "look how foolish and destructive that type of lifestyle is" themes. The stories would automatically have more meaning, and be based in truth, which is something I believe people would gravitate to. After all, the highest grossing films are not the filthy cussing violent rated R films, but, believe it or not, the family films.
I'm with you 100%, Phil.
I'll even go a step further and say that Christians need to take a look at the gay/lesbian movement over the past 20 years. In 1990, being gay was socially unacceptable in the vast majority of circles, and the concept of national acceptance of gay marriage was almost laughable. There were very few gay characters in movies or on TV, and anyone marching for gay rights was almost newsworthy. Today, it's almost the reverse, while saying that you're a Born Again Christian feels almost taboo.
Christians as a whole seem to think that the way to "take back America for Jesus" is through legislating morality. Clearly, that doesn't work. The gay community started a shift in the thinking of the culture as a whole FIRST, and THEN the legislation followed. That's the way it worked in the 20's with women's suffrage, that's the way it worked in the 60's with civil rights, and that's the way it's working now. Culture first, legislation reflecting culture. And mediocre-at-best movies don't count.
Joey
"You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."
In other words, go and make a world changing CHRIST CENTERED movie and then repost all your criticisms, then they'll actually mean something.
THINK.ABOUT.[IT]
There truly have been some well made Christian movies. I enjoyed "Fireproof", "A Thief in the Night," and TBN's "Omega Code 2". But you have to admit there have been a few bombs out there haha.
LIGHTSup. Why are you shouting? (I'm assuming you know that CAPS mean shouting in Internet language).
Would you also suggest that one would have to make a pornographic movie to earn the right to critcize them?
While I wouldn't discount for a minute the motives and intentions of those who produced Christian films in the past, I think the frustration many are feeling today is that the genre just hasn't evolved very much and I doubt their effectiveness in today's culture. Could God use one of these films to reach someone? Absolutely - God can use anything for His purpose. But is there a more effective way to spend $1,000,000? I think so.
You are aware, LIGHTSup that Phil Cooke and his colleagues have created more movies, television and faith-based media than just about anyone else out there, right? I'm sure you are - why would you level criticism without having all the facts, right?
Speaking as someone who HAS made a film (in post-production now), as well as worked in the Christian media industry, let me tell you - those criticisms are right on the mark.
What have YOU done lately?
Amen! As a would-be filmmaker who speaks and learns best through story, imagery and emotion, it's frustrating when my church continually tells me that I'm using my talents for God if I do watered-down, preachy skits for the choir, but if I aim to do something for a broader audience, I'm being vain and conceited. It's like being caught in the cruelest of traps to sit in a church where one moment the preaching of the word is inspiring soaring stories that I'd love to see on the big screen, moving audiences to draw closer to God in a way that only a story can do, and the next moment I'm told by non-artists "that's nice--you know what you should do is..." [followed by suggestions for announcement-time commercials or a perscription to follow the template created by "those people" from "that church" who made the only good film that's ever been made, "you know, the one that told everyone how bad 'that' sin is."]
Hi Phil, Danny Vargas from Peru
There are many factors like :
Religiosity, which implics b can't hire Director of Photography , beacuse is no Christian person and God doesn't like nothing False
There is no good history "scripts"
The way to tell the story is not the better "Narrative"•
We manage Christian codes that the no christian people doesn't understand
The image processing "Edition and Post"
The Secular interests is very diferent to the christian interests
we may continue whit the long list….
and finally i think that the solution to this
is in divide 2 things :
Christian Movies which identifies them more
and movies for no christian which can show the love of God
the viewer can feel a sense of recognition
The viewer can see his nakednessand sin
Are new times, new codes should be handled
It's time to give the opportunity to "New Directors"
I'm one of them "Danny Vargas"
Isn't it interesting that movies have been around for over 100 years, yet if you asked 99.999% of Christians how one is made, they couldn't tell you the first thing. Just a thought.
Phil, I agree but you are missing a few more issues.
-Both tend to abuse/exploit those that work for them.
-Both prey on people's emotional and tangable need for Love but denying true intamacy and fulfilment.
-Both are usually produced it build up a man's kingdom and not God's.
-And no matter what they promise their investors, they are purposely creating content for a nich market thus marginalizing themselves, preventing them from influencing the mainstream culture and then blaming/demonizing others for their failure to do so.
Blessings,
James McMann
Both make me feel ashamed when I watch...
Unfortunately I agree. It's sad but true. I like your message that good production and story telling should come first, then a message. That's so true. Jesus is a good example. Stories first. Lessons and principles second.
A few years back -- probably when LOTR came out, The Lord told me that all the major blockbuster films from here on out would carry His message. He would use any film maker to convey His message, but you do have to be sensitive to the Holy Spirit to see it and hear it, and above all, have discernemnt. Despite the fact that most Christian film makers can't do a great job creating a Christ centered film, He will use others to do just that. And I must note that this has held up true. Some of these blockbuster films are made by Christians, such as Ralph Winter, but most aren't-- they are simply made by people who God chose to use. Too often our own Christian preconceived ideas get in the way of good film making and good story telling.
A number of years ago, while traveling on a flight from Hawaii, my seatmate was a very talkative Christian lady who couldn't stop gushing over a recently released "Christian" film. I had seen the film. It was really bad and I was hard pressed to say anything positive about it - so I basically smiled and nodded at the appropriate places. As long as there are people who will watch and buy poorly made movies - and like them - we'll always have bad Christian films, Hallmark movies, and unfortunately, porn. Sad.
Mmm - I get where you are coming from, but I think poltical advertising might be a more appropriate comparison.
The agenda for a movie should be as Walt Disney put it, "Story, Story, Story". The problem I've seen with movies that they promote oftentimes in Christian media is that there is an agenda about sending a message to Hollywood. I've also found that Christian film reviewers give a great review to a film if it is known that Christians have made it, no matter how bad the product is.
The fact is that the message has been sent to Hollywood. Family friendly films with a great story do well. Even films that critics pan such as Disney-Pixar film "Up" have done well because the story is something that people can identify with and word of mouth spreads. Films with an agenda, whether political, religious or otherwise just don't do as well. Granted films that I wouldn't want myself to see do well, but the family friendly do the best.
I remember back in 1995, there were two films with a pig as the main character. The first one was a film that advertised mainly in Christian media. Rather than talking about the story, they emphasized how bad Hollywood was and that this film doing well would send Tinsel town the message; the film's producer even voiced a radio ad for the film talking about the film's agenda in a way that was a turn off because it came off sounding angry. This film was called "Gordy" and opened up at number 9 at the box office and was forgotten soon after.
The second film about a pig had a great storyline and the trailers were not about agendas, but a story that tugs at your heart strings and "Babe" became one of the biggest hits of the year. Hollywood got the message, but not with a film promoted by Christians, but a film everyone could identify with.
Saw a trailer for a Christian movie (unnamed) several years ago, and thought "Wow, this looks like it could be pretty good". Went to the movie, and found out that every exciting clip in the movie was in the 2 minute trailer.
You make a great point, Phil.
Great point Phil. If there's an "agenda" it shows and ruins the whole thing. Films like "Up" & "Babe" are great. People identify with them easily because they are made of the nuts & bolts of what life is about: places we've all been, heartaches we've all had and, hopefully, solutions we've all found.
I couldn't agree more with your points, Phil. Story is a powerful tool to communicate a message only if that message is dramatized through the action of the story. This requires characters that fail, struggle, and grow. Neither Christian movies nor porn do this. Rather, their characters are merely puppets for their agenda. If characters are not genuine, the message they share is lost.
The thing about Christian movies is that they tend to preach to the choir. The choir knows the preaching. They move their mouths along with the preacher. You can see the boredom in their eyes.
Where's the good news in most faith-based movies? Audiences are moved by atmosphere much more than teachings, and most faith-based films are heavy on the teaching and light on the atmosphere. What if filmmakers created an atmosphere of heaven in their films? I'd love to see that. I think the audience might want to see that. And so would the choir.
I agree....Besides a relatively few good quality Christian movies....the film directing and production quality is usually lacking...and it's probably not all to do with a low budget...they just come across to be so cheesy sometimes.....as does porn! Another minority group whose films fall into this category....are the gay and lesbian films. CHEESY!!!!!
The thing about the creation of porn movies is that those producing them aren't necessarily attempting to grab a non-interested audience and "convert" them to porn addicts; they are satisfied with appealing to those who already qualify for their target demographic. They already have a tremendous audience so marketing outside of that isn't necessarily their main objective.
Contrariwise, Christian movies (at least in the beginning) have an objective to market to unbelievers hoping to convert them through their efforts. In other words, their target audience is outside of themselves; it's outside of their culture.
It's just interesting that there are SO many reasons why Christian movies and porn movies are comparable, yet there's this one huge difference. If we took marketing out of the equation and saw where the impact was regardless of their marketing efforts, the porn movies would actually make it to their target audience without even trying; the Christian movies definitely would not.
The bottom line is that Christian movie producers aren't taking their target audience into account in every step of the creation process. A good producer will not only identify WHO their target audience is, but they'll also identify WITH their target audience. They'll put forth the effort to relate to them, they'll find out what passions drive them, they'll determe the core and foundation of what their beliefs are and build an appealing argument/story from this platform. Which, number one: isn't going to be moral and number two: isn't going to be biblical. And since these two seem to be the defining, conspicuous traits of Christian movies, they'll ever only be sitting in the homes of already Jesus-followers. "Here's a gift for you, my African-American friend - have a tanning bed." #Irrelevancy.
The question is, can we relay the gospel in a way that appeals to the core identity of non-believers without being blunt or smothering with our Law and morals?
I'm all for the use of modern production in our church services and in our entertainment endeavors but this constant push to make the gospel "relevant" is futile.
God's own word calls it foolishness. No matter how clever we make it sound - unless you are changing the core message the gospel will always be foolishness to the naturally minded person.
Just make your project look and sound good on a technical level and leave the reception of the message to the viewer up to the Holy Spirit.
I will add, foolish or not... we don't have to be lame and cheesy.
Dean, in her defense, your statement "I'm all for the use of modern production in our church services and in our entertainment endeavors but this constant push to make the gospel 'relevant' is futile" sounds rather defeatist and contradictory. It sounds as though you support something already determined to fail. I did not get the feeling that her idea of making the Gospel "relevant" meant changing the message, but rather being creative with how it is communicated. This is not a personal attack leveled at you by any means.
"God's own word calls it foolishness" I disagree and this is a rather harsh generalization of the Gospel in the context of how it resonates (or not) with the naturally minded person. Otherwise, why do we even try? The Gospel is never foolishness, although God's wisdom in certain things most certainly will be to the naturally minded person, the GOSPEL is not. The most critical voices of the "futile" attempts at relevance in the church comes from its own members, myself included. I find it, albeit generally, more effective that the naturally minded person appreciates the church's "futile" attempt at relevance because it communicates the inclusivity of the Gospel rather than the exclusivity mindset that naturally-minded people see from MANY of today's churches who remain culturally, technologically stagnate. A common question I hear from people who take note of a church's lack of upgraded technology is this: "Can they not afford a projector, or do they not believe in that sort of thing?" While the latter may be a joke, it implies a serious perception that current non-believers feel concerning the Church and its relationship with Multimedia.
"Just make your project look and sound good on a technical level and leave the reception of the message to the viewer up to the Holy Spirit." If I may add to it, I would add this: Ministers, creative arts directors and the like, need to be the Christ-example in how they relate and participate in the rules/trends of the day, and that includes the methods by which any message, whether it is the gospel or another message, is presented using the most effective mediums available. The Church is the one that should have been leading this technological charge all along as it is.
@Phil Cooke: I can't watch a Christian movie ever again now that I will have in my mind the idea that it is the same format as a Porn film.
Just cause it isn't a popular opinion, doesn't mean it's wrong.
True!, but... I belive the Holy spiriy uses sincere people with little knowlage, rater than no one!
In my world its not the Pastors job to make a movie, don't wait for your pastor or churches, to put you to work and give you money to make a good craftet movie. Thats like David waiting for Saul to help him kill Goliat.
In Denmark were I live, people don't now about Christian movies and christianity at all, but all know about porn big time, also in "mainstream" movies! we have mentally sick people in our media world that often make top quality art movies, that gets awards in Cannens and toronto, but still they just fokus on getting porn and the indside evil human, out in public with no hope for future! I think the movies you talk about would do better in a black and white world like things are becomming in here. All the news and movies are about the devils works, and the positive, story is often neglected.
I belive every little video can save people just by telling simple stories about Jesus and his work today (not always 2000 years ago). Again don't wait for the big production teams to come and help you! then i gurrante you won't reach anybody with your movie, not even the porn addicted people!
Remenber, David was NOT a soldier when he won his first war!
Christian movies bomb when they have no parabolic truth in them.
One is tempted ask how much Christian truth is in the authors of such.
For example, is Rapture a lie? No argument can be positively made against rapture, other than that most films made about it stink, hence they have no parbolic truth, hence rapture is a lie.
It's sort of an "eyes to see, ears to hear" conjecture.
DUDE! SOMEBODY ELSE NOTICED THE RESEMBLANCE BETWEEN CHRISTIAN (TM) MOVIES AND PORN! I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE!
And it's not just movies. It's Christian (TM) Fiction, Christian (TM) TV Drama, pretty much Christian (TM) anything. Money shot every X pages (Bible Verse et al) and the Big Money Shot (Altar Call ending) at the Climax. Whumpa-Whumpa-Whumpa-GRUNT, Whumpa-Whumpa-Whumpa-GRUNT...
I've found that the most "Christian" message is delivered by characters who honestly live their lives in a Christian manner. They don't stand on a street corner screaming the good news at people. Rather, little things tell the audience they are watching real Christians--in a war movie, a young paratrooper opens a letter from his mom and a rosary falls out; a man closes a small bible and puts it aside as a scene opens; a chaplain makes the sign of the Cross just before a brigade marches into battle during the Civil War while the commanding general and his staff sit their horses with their hats removed out of respect though not Catholics. This is visual shorthand. It tells the audience from where these people are coming and their future actions teach what the character believes.
In my own writing, some characters are Catholic, some are Protestants of various flavors, some are Jews. The one thing they have in common, they act in a manner that draws from their deeply held belief. They don't declaim, they just try to live as God expects them to and get on with it.
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